While flipping through a book (at the library, where else?) I found this quote by a ninth century Indian teacher and poet, Jinasena. I found it very interesting. In most cases I find his arguments paper thin, but that may just be from my inexperienced view. In other cases I laugh at his arguments, as I see so much more the glory of God in them! Indeed, why would God have created the world? Because He loves US? How preposterous! How absurd! And yet it’s true… it nearly makes one giddy in amazement and joy. 🙂

But here is the quote, let me know your thoughts.

Some foolish men declare that Creator made the world.

The doctrine that the world was created is ill-advised and should be rejected.

If God created the world, where was he before creation?

If you say he was transcendent then, and needed no support, where is he now?

No single being had the skill to make this world –

For how can an immarterial god create that which is material?

How could God have made this world without any raw material?

If you say that he made this first, and then the world you are face with an endless regression.

If you declare that this raw material arose naturally you fall into another fallacy,

For the whole universe might thus have been its own creator, and have arisen quite naturally.

If God created the world by an act of his own mill, without any raw material,

Then it is just his will and nothing else – and who will believe this silly nonsense?

If He is ever perfect and complete how could the will to create have arisen in him?

If, on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe than a potter could.

If he is formless, actionless, and all-embracing, how could he have created the world?

Such a soul, devoid of all morality, would have no desire to create anything.

If he is perfect, he does not strive for the three aims of man, so what advantage would he gain by creating the universe?

If you say that he created to no purpose, because it was his nature to do so, then God is pointless.

If he created in some kind of sport, it was the sport of a foolish child, leading to trouble.

If he created because of the karma of embodied beings [acquired in a previous creation]

He is not the Almighty Lord, but subordinate to something else…

If out of love for living beings and need of them he made the world, why did he not take creation wholly blissful, free from misfortune?

If he were transcendent he would not create, for he would be free: Nor if involved in transmigration, for then he would not be almighty.

Thus the doctrine that the world was created by God

Makes no sense at all.

And God commits great sin in slaying the children whom he himself created.

If you say that he slays only to destroy evil beings, why did he create such beings in the first place…?

Good men should combat the beliver in divine creatin, maddened by an evil doctrine.

Know that the world is uncreated, as time itself is, without beginning or end,

And it is based on the principles, life and rest.

Uncreated and indestructible, it endures under the compulsion of its own nature.

And there it is. But what do you think?